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von Swies (Guest)


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Question for uC programmers who write with 10 fingers:
How do you type the following characters on a German keyboard (blind 
tipping) @ {}[]|~  ?. specially which fingers do you use to press "Ctrl 
"+"Alt" respc. "Alr Gr" at the same time?. Can you recommend a 
program/tool to learn this?
Thanks.

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von Olaf (Guest)


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Switch to english layout and type without looking at the keys.
That is the easiest way to type fast.

Olaf

von Dunno.. (Guest)


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For the braces it's right thumb on alt gr and index finger. (Had to try 
on my keyboard because I'm not even thinking about it anymore).

Of course most of the time I'll just have to type the opening brace as 
the editor will do the closing one.

von jo (Guest)


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Swies schrieb:
> Question for uC programmers who write with 10 fingers:
> How do you type the following characters on a German keyboard (blind
> tipping) @ {}[]|~  ?. specially which fingers do you use to press "Ctrl
> "+"Alt" respc. "Alr Gr" at the same time?. Can you recommend a
> program/tool to learn this?

I know - wrong answer.

For me the better way was getting me a US-Keyboard. My Cherry G81-3000 
was less than 50€ - back in old days (like 20 yrs ago)...

For German writing (with Umlaut) I use .Xmodmap. Mine is listed below. 
But  you may want to translate this to XKB - for obvious reasons:
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! vi:set ts=4:
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!
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! .Xmodmap
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!
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! Attn.: setxkbmap conflicting with xmodmap !
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! Attn.: xmodmap is ancient and deprecated; it will not function at all on modern
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!        Wayland desktops. best to stop using it entirely. – quixotic Jun 26 '18 at 10:11
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!        XKB is the system Wayland uses. but system XKB only, last i checked setxkbmap
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!        and xkbcomp only funciton in X. – quixotic Jun 26 '18 at 19:32 
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!
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! Aufruf in .profile mit: xmodmap ~/Xmodmap funktioniert nicht
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!
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! vgl: http://www.windowslinuxosx.com/q/answers-bash-profile-wont-run-on-login-592427.html
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! 
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! ~/.Xmodmap is read by /etc/gdm/Xsession.
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!
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! If you're not using gdm, you could add a script named: 91xmodmap
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!  in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
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!
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! that contains:
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!
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! XMODMAP="$(which xmodmap)"
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! SYSMODMAP="/etc/X11/Xmodmap"
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! USRMODMAP="$HOME/.Xmodmap"
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! if [ -x $XMODMAP ]; then
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!     if [ -f "$SYSMODMAP" ]; then
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!         $XMODMAP "$SYSMODMAP"
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!     fi
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!     if [ -f "$USRMODMAP" ]; then
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!         $XMODMAP "$USRMODMAP"
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!     fi
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! fi
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!
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! The command you put in your ~/.bash_profile isn't running because gnome-terminal doesn't run as a
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! login shell by default.
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!
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! Right click on gnome-terminal's screen and go to Profiles -> Profile Preferences.
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! Then under the Title and Command, check Run command as a login shell.
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!
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! Fuer setxkbmap siehe auch /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base.lst
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! Mit setxkbmap -option werden alle definitionen zurueckgesetzt
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!
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!! Nerviges CapsLock abschalten
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remove Lock = Caps_Lock
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!
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!! Alt_R (keycode 108) bzw. Alt_L (keycode 64) wird als ModeSwitch definiert, aktiviert 
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!! also (ohne Shift) das 3. bzw. (mit Shift) das 4. Symbol
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!
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!! Beide, 'keycode' und 'keysym' funktionieren, 'keysym' ist wohl eleganter
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keycode 108 = Mode_switch
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!keycode  26 = e E EuroSign EuroSign
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!keycode  39 = s S ssharp ssharp
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!keycode  38 = a A adiaeresis Adiaeresis
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!keycode  30 = u U odiaeresis Odiaeresis
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!keycode  32 = o O udiaeresis Udiaeresis
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!keysym Alt_R = Mode_switch
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keysym e = e E EuroSign
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keysym s = s S ssharp ssharp
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keysym a = a A adiaeresis Adiaeresis
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keysym o = o O odiaeresis Odiaeresis
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keysym u = u U udiaeresis Udiaeresis
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keysym p = p P section section
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!! end of .Xmodmap

von Jörg W. (dl8dtl) (Moderator)


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Swies schrieb:
> @ {}[]|~

I left @ where it's marked on the keyboard (AltGr Q), but used to 
rearrange my keyboard 30 years ago (even under MS-DOS) so äöüÄÖÜ give
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[\]{|}

The umlauts are then reached with AltGr + respective key, which can be 
easily handled by the right thumb + finger.

Nobody else can use my keyboard though. ;-)

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von Johannes (Guest)


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Why would you press Ctrl and Alt at the same time on a regular base? I 
can't remember any shortcuts using that combination, except maybe for 
Ctrl+Alt+Del on windows machines.

I also had to try it to see what I'm actually using:

@ is right thumb on Ctrl and left ring finger on Q
{[ is right thumb on Ctrl and right middle finger on 7/8
]} is right thumb on Ctrl and either right middle finger or ring finger 
on 9/0
~ is right thumb on Ctrl and right little finger on +. But I guess I'm 
also using the ring finger for this on occasions.
? is left little finger on shift and right ring finger on ß

von Jemand (Guest)


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https://www.neo-layout.org/

Besides the substantially better accessibility of characters needed for 
programming through layer 3, layer 4 features navigation keys and a 
number block, which I found to be pretty much a killer feature I miss 
whenever I need to work on a computer that is not my own.
Admittedly it's not all happy and rainbows, there are drawbacks such as 
lacking compatibility of navigation keys in some applications (can be 
made to work properly with some tinkering most of the time) or that it's 
simply not available in Windows out of the box, unlike on Linux-es.

As for learing, well, that was the most difficult part. Since the 
letters aren't printed on the physical keys you're pretty much bound to 
learn typing blindly - it's plain useless to look. I kept a view of the 
layout on-screen   in the beginning, over time it just gradually becomes 
less necessary to check the locations.

von ... (Guest)


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I use a unlabelled IBM-keyboard. All the keys are blank gray.
Together with a US-layout, no problems so far.
On standard texts approx. 200-300 cps.

> Can you recommend a program/tool to learn this?
I suggest a classic typewriter.
Simply ask a secretary how to use ten fingers.
There is not much to explain. The rest is practice.

Do not use german layout. Its made to write dismiss letters
and not for serious work.

von Johannes (Guest)


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Yeah I've used the neo layout for quite some time years ago. It was 
indeed very pleasant to write, the foremost advantage for me was that 
there is much less finger movement required for most words.

However during that time I was unable to write fluent on a QWERTZ 
layout. This gets kind of embarrassing if you have to write in front of 
other people, so I switched back to QWERTZ.

von Swies (Guest)


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Hi guys,
thank you very much for the different approaches. I think the methode of 
Johannes is not bad for me:

@ is right thumb on Ctrl and left ring finger on Q

{[ is right thumb on Ctrl and right middle finger on 7/8

]} is right thumb on Ctrl and either right middle finger or ring finger
on 9/0

~ is right thumb on Ctrl and right little finger on +.


Thanks

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