Ok, seems that the project Freetz , a custom firmware for FritzBoxes,
supports the FTDI serial converters .
Would it be better to integrate a FTDI converter on the master board, or
connect two boards using the 10-pin connector?
And is it ok to supply the master board from USB?
 http://trac.freetz.org/wiki/freetz (german)
 http://trac.freetz.org/wiki/libs/ftdi (german)
ok, next version :)
If it is connected directly to a serial interface, the FTDI USB
converter part can be cut.
All parts except the coil are mounted on the top, and even the coil
could be mounted on top if it is isolated a bit.
I've no idea what kind of antenna should be used on the RFM12 modules,
so feel free to contribute, also if you find some errors :)
Yes your board looks good. I have add ,at my master, a second led which
show the transmission of the sync packet. This looks usefull for
diagnostic purposes. Maybe it could usefull to connect some additional
portpins to pad for expansions.
I can't see any problem with P1-P4 lines. We have many free lines
because this MCU is too big for this aplication. But it is smallest CPU
with JTAG debuging from Atmel.
- current SW need some communication buffers and use ATmega32 not
ATmega16. Pinout is same, difference is volume of RAM (and Flash)
- RTS# signal for RESET# can be problem if we want to use simple
terminal for debugging. Can you add jumper into this signal?
- Antena can be lambda/4 wire, for 868 it is 86mm (L[mm] =
- Antena can be path on PCB, due to PCB effect it must be 10-20% shorter
than wire. Wire is usualy better.
Happy new year! Jiri
here are the changes for version 0.4:
> - current SW need some communication buffers and use ATmega32 not> ATmega16. Pinout is same, difference is volume of RAM (and Flash)
Atmega16 changed to ATmega32.
> - RTS# signal for RESET# can be problem if we want to use simple> terminal for debugging. Can you add jumper into this signal?
> - Antenna can be lambda/4 wire, for 868 it is 86mm (L[mm] => 75000/frequency [MHz])> - Antenna can be path on PCB, due to PCB effect it must be 10-20% shorter> than wire. Wire is usually better.
ok, I keep the the via to solder a wire.
> FSK pin is not used and in this case it need pull-up resistor. My> original design use pull-up inside MCU, it save soldering of one> component. Just a trick, nothing more.
external pull-up resistor added and connection to ATmega removed.
> Please remove R2+C5 components. ATmega contain better startup reset> circuits inside and it complicate external reset signal connection> (capacity load).
well, if they are not populated there's just 1 mm of extra wire on the
Test point number four is replaced by an extra LED as suggested by
Any more suggestions?
here's some kind of preview :)
Of course L1 (at the bottom) is not a resistor, but it is the most
would it be better to rotate the RFM12 by 180° so that the antenna is
located at the left edge of the PCB? Or is it ok right now because a
vertical antenna can be used?
What do you think?
I can't found any problem with this PCB.
Rotation of RFM12 is not needed. But I have another idea to add ground
soldering point close to antena. It can be useful when somebody will
need connect antena via coaxial cable.
I found problem. This design can be used without FTDI with 3.3V power.
But with FTDI and USB power RFM12B will be overpowered.
Recomended power range for RFM12B is from 2.2V to 3.8V
5V from USB will not damage it (maximum is 6V) but it is outside range.
50mA is enought
- RFM12B have 26mA maximum
- ATMEGA32 (5V/10MhZ) need 15mA maximum
- and remaining 19mA for LEDs
Problem is that you must crop VCC layer on back side, because FTDI must
be powered from 5V, remainnig part from 3V3
PS: I was also use RFM12B and I miss information that pull up on FSK is
not needed. It is not problem on this PCB, but I was can save soldering
of one wire and resistor inside valves.
Jiri Dobry wrote:
> Could you send me source files for update documentation?> Today I plan to replace old prototype board with your PCB and in this> case source code will not fit into schematics in SVN. Thanks, Jiri
I'll send them to you this evening :)
Ralf H. wrote:
> Its easy to fix: remove L1 and use the 3.3V Ftdi Internal> Voltageregulator
It's not that easy:
VCCIO must be connected to 3V3OUT so that the UART pins are driven with
3.3 volt. Otherwise TX would still have 5 volt high level which would
cause problems with ATmega.
> VCCIO must be connected to 3V3OUT so that the UART pins are driven with> 3.3 volt. Otherwise TX would still have 5 volt high level which would> cause problems with ATmega.
I thing that it is easy, see to the pictures.
- 1 wire to crop.
- 2 new wires
- do not use inductor
Has anyone tested this circuit with the FTDI and powered from USB? I am
facing the problem that there seems to be no communication from the FTDI
to the ATMEGA or from the FTDI to the PC.
I can not receive or send anything from the PC.
I have used the board and schematic 0.6 from the SVN without any
changes. Which settings are you using for the UART connection? I tried
38400 baud with 8n1 and do not receive a single Byte in my terminal
Which Atmel do you exactly use on your hardware? The schematic says only
"Mega32-A" which is not really a correct part number. Maybe I have
ordered the wrong controller? But I was able to flash an debug the
software on the controller. Sadly I have no experience with Atmel
controllers and the AVR Studio..
Yes the FTDI is correctly recognized by the PC and I am able to connect
to the serial line with putty. I have changed the power setting in the
devices EEPROM now, but this made no change. I still do not receive
anything from the ATMEL controller.
I checked the voltage on the Atmega and there are correct 3.3V on the
device. Also I am able to debug the controller and there does not seem
to be any problem with the hardware.
I am using this controller: ATMEGA32A-AU
I don't know.. I have found a fuses section in the code and checked the
controller fuses against these settings. Now I got these fuses:
.low = 0xA0,
.high = 0x91,
The RFM12 module is also soldered and has the correct voltage supply. I
do not hava a oscilloscope so I can not check the clock. But would it be
possible to debug without proper external clock?
my problem with the master is still not solved. It seems that the UART
generated by the ATMega ist not with the correct speed.I have attached a
picdump from my logic analyser. As you can see the trransmit from the
controller to the FTDI is really slow. On the RXD line sou can see a
transmission from the FTDI to the ATMega with 38400 baud.
Has anyone a clue why the controller sends so slow? I have checked the
clock from RFM module which is at the correct 10MHz.
Alright my problem is solved!
In the init routine for the UART I had to switch the setting of the
baudrate and the other settings. First the UART is set up properly and
then the baudrate is written into the registers. I don't know why but it
Well now comes the real work. How can I figure out if the master is
working properly? I have found several commands in the code like 'H' or
'Y' but there are few more. Is there any documentation about the
Is it correct that I have to set the time with the 'H' command first
before the master tries to send anything?
Okay, seems to work now - somehow..
Do I understand it correct, that the daemon.php is the interface to the
serial console. It takes command from the database and puts them on the
console? The frontend uses the same database to creat commands which are
then processed by the daemon?
When I use a terminal program to view the serial output of the master
then there are sometimes lines which begin with "ERR". Are these
received packets from unkown nodes?
I have changed the connection at the FTDI Communication LED and resized
the whole Board. Now it's not possible to cut it into two pieces, if you
would use it only with 3v3 uart. But I think thats not a problem - the
whole Board is now smaller then the "uart only" part in version 0.6.
Also I deleted the testpoints (TP1, TP2, TP3). I think the testing phase
is over and if anybody need an debug output, he can solder it direct to
In the attachment is the new layout - i think anybody could commit it to
the svn (or git [or both]).
I had ordered some master boards with my new layout... I think, you can
have one of them. But they are shipped from china an haven't arrived
If you want one, write me a message and i will notice you, if i have the