Hi @ all, i am 16 years old, and i am now at school, my englisch teacher says that my englisch knowlege is not well and so i should learn more englisch. So i had an idea i write to a Forum, to communicate with other people in englisch. In my freetime i work with electronics and PIC microcontrollers, i only want to communicate with people in englisch, about what: anything. please write back
ok, let's start "english" without "c" "knowledge" with "d"
anything else. don´t use PIC, only use AVR
english is englich, Englisch is German knowledge is english, knowlege is anything else, maybe it does not exist. I hope, now it's so right. I know, or better I have read, that the PIC-microcontrollers are not popular at the Forum, it's better to write about AVR. I would like to try the AVR-Controllers, but I have no burner (like PIC- ICD2), but maybe in some time I will by the Programmer for AVR, I have not found a selfmade programmer for AVR like (SPRUT-Burner). Personal Note: (like German PS:) At my school we work a lot with electronics and more but in our english-lessons we did not learn anythyng about databooks or other, I think first it's OK but to work with englisch book's to learn evering for tense (German: ZEiten) or grammer is't Ok, because wenn I will worki in a Company and these company will speak in German, it's not so important to have the right tense and the "perfect" English will come (von selbs: by self??).
Hey Lukas Your idea is pretty good to get better english skills by this way! To programm an avr you only need a few components. For example have a google search for "SI-Prog" 3 diodes and 3 resistors may be everything u need to build an ISP-Programmer tool. Here u find an example for that simple schematic... http://freenet-homepage.de/gjl/pub/siprog.png first u can have a look into the german avr tutorial on microcontroller.net take it easy ;-) chris
Yes, a very good idea to improve my english, too. :) I also started with a simple LPT home-brew burner (stk200), but if your program code gets bigger and bigger, these burners are slow. (especially on usb2rs232 adapters) So I've built an AVR910 burner: http://www.klaus-leidinger.de/mp/Mikrocontroller/AVR-Prog/AVR-Programmer.html This programmer takes a real serial data stream (not bit-banging) and flashes then the connected device. If you have luck, you can find nearly all parts in your spare parts box (German: Bastelkiste) So build something like SI-Prog (to solve the chicken-and-egg problem) and then build an AVR910 programmer (there also exist's an USB-version) Roland
Ok Lukas (Guest)... Dude... Reading your English is a bit tiring... when I finished school I thought like you ... I'll never use English except reading a data sheet or something like that... after my studies I worked for 1.5 years in Germany but after that the company closed down... surprisingly I got a job offer in Singapore... at the phone they told me that I just work in a lab developing hardware... when I arrived I got to know that I have to teach a class of students... Nevertheless I worked there for two years, stayed in Singapore another three years, got married... returned to Germany for a period of 5 years and now I am in Australia with my family... In school I hated foreign languages...
Hi at all, at first i must say that i do not hate foreign languages, but i find it's very difficult, because I have problems with the German Grammer, so first i must learn object's first, second,... fall, when I'm writing a story or so I do not think: should I use this grammer or the other. But I'm learning English now and I hope I can use English in future, but i am quite sure. Now to AVR: I have just looked to http://freenet-homepage.de/gjl/pub/siprog.png . It'S a simple Schemetic and it's no problem to copy it and these electronic-elements are not expensiv. But I does not check wich Software( for Windows or Linux( Ubuntu) I can use to "burn" the AVR. wenn I use: http://www.klaus-leidinger.de/mp/Mikrocontroller/AVR-Prog/AVR-Programmer.html , firstly I must burn one AVR or?? I will go an Monday to Scholl an there to the magazine and buy two ATMEGA 8 for 3,10€. Three Euros are not expensiv and in my tinker-budget. I will try it next week and write back. thank you all
@Daniel Düsentrieb: Your frequent usage of "..." is tiring too ;) But at least your english seems to be pretty good.
Hi Lukas, to your english (ok mine is not perfect, too) : I don't know if these are typos or if you simply don't know the correct spelling: Scholl => school expensiv => expensive But I does not check wich Software => But I do not check which software wenn I use => when I use Grammer => grammar (in english, nearly everything is lowercase) OK, but now back 2 AVR :) You can use ponyprog (windows) or AVRdude (linux) to flash AVR's. Read also the README-files. There is often described how to build the burner, respectively which types are supported. 3 € for an AVR is OK if you need only one or two. If you need more electrical parts you can order your AVRs at www.reichelt.de for ~1.50 or take a look at www.pollin.de, they have often cheap evaluation boards (currently not) To build an AVR910 programmer you first need an other programmer. The AVR910 programmer has the advantage, it is faster than siprog and it works on usb2serial cables. (siprog not, or veeeeryyy slow) So if you have a native COM-port on your PC/laptop do your first steps with siprog. regards Roland
Hey Mr Duesentrieb :-) You are in aussie now, awesome! I studied there at the Gold Coast in summer 08. How is the the situation to get a job there as e.g a development engeneer for realtime systems. I'll finish my bachelor dregree this summer, continue a master programm and perhaps i'll try to find a job in aussie after that. So, would be happy about some infos u can give me. Who are u working for, which city/area are you living? cheers chris
@teacher (Guest) Oh no, dont start the PIC / AVR war here. :)) btw: I like PIC and AVR ? Im crazy enough? :D Enrico
Lukas wrote: > So i had an idea i write to a Forum, to communicate with other people in > englisch. i only want to communicate with people in englisch, about what: > anything. Hi Lukas, If you want this you should take a look at the "Literalia" project. LITERALIA stands for "Learning in Tandem to Encourage Reciprocal Autonomous Learning in (A)dults" and is a EU project between the 4 countries Poland, Italy, UK and Germany. The project officially ended in july 2008 but the online community is still alive and uses the online platform for chatting, wiki etc. It's based on learning language and culture with a partner in one of the countries. I also took part in this project and it gave me a lot. For information look at www.literalia.eu regards, Boris P.S. (A) due to spam filter
@ Daniel Boy, it's "on the phone" not at the phone. Or were you sitting next to your phone when someone walked up to you and told you what you would be doing at your job?